It’s a joy to see a band you’ve championed from the off (or thereabouts) turning heads and picking up plaudits from those in the know or with a big following behind them. Whether it be the bloke who lives a street away having his local band get national radio play or your favourite band being picked up for a massive tour that’ll see them play to huge audiences. For Crystal Palace duo JOHN (consisting of two blokes both called John), we knew things were looking up when Simon Pegg (he of the Ice Cream Trilogy and – yep – Mission Impossible fame) bigged them up on Twitter, later recommending one of their early singles on a show he did for BBC Radio 6 Music.
“It’s great that someone like that liked what we do.” Says John Newton, drummer and one half of the duo. We’re in Manchester, just off Oxford Road, down from Gorilla where they’ll player later that night in support of cult noise-makers Mclusky. Right now though we’re stood in the vicinity of a noisy bridge, competing to hear each other over transit vans zipping past and trains above.
Back on Pegg, along with guitarist Johnny Healey, Newton grew up with the much loved hit TV show ‘Spaced’ and the pair both respected his work from way back when. An early advocate, he’d pave the way for future pushers, most recently the likes of IDLES and BBC Radio 6 Music DJ Steve Lamacq. With the latter, the pair were recent winners of the coveted Roundtable honours, with Lamacq and a trio of guests debating a handful of singles – picking JOHN’s ‘Future Thinker’ as the best of the lot.
“You don’t make songs to fit onto anything.” Says Newton. “We both love that song and it felt like – it is the opener of the record – I like this idea of introducing the first single as the opener. It kind of made sense, people get familiar then it’ll lead the album. In a conceptual sense it works to me. But yeah, it’s been genuinely fantastic people picking up on it – either playing it on the radio or hearing it through the radio.”
Together with musician and journalist John Robb, ‘Future Thinker’ was debated by one of The Mysterines and 6 Music’s own Giles Peterson (“I was quite worried about his response to it…”) Whilst Newton admits he was “bricking it”, particularly given the credentials and tastes of Peterson, the track toppled the rest.
“I think the unifying thing for us is everyone, in the comments that were said, really understood it for what it was.” He says, clocking the likelihood being their energetic approach and ear-splitting capabilities being just a two-piece.
“I never kind of thought of our band as being particularly radio friendly, but it’s good that this type of music is still able to get on certain stations when there’s a weight of music that traditionally has more airtime.” He continues. “Whether it be us or IDLES or whoever else, it’s really nice to see this type of music being able to be on more mainstream channels.”
Alongside recent single ‘High Digger’, ‘Future Thinker’ squeezed itself into the BBC Radio 6 Music B List, in good company with the likes of Cate Le Bon, Warmduscher and Pixies. Elsewhere on the wireless, the pair performed live for KEXP at the start of the year as part of an overseas special at Studio 9294 in Hackney Wick – introduced as “a band whose music has been described as brutal”.
That brutality took itself across eleven European countries late last year, culminating in a sell-out show at the Bataclan in Paris. An outfit that know the meaning of graft, JOHN have known IDLES for many years, Newton citing them as a gang he and Johnny really get on with.
“We knew them before any, I suppose, traditional perceived sense of success – however you quantify that.” He says. Even with this level of success, perceived or otherwise, IDLES have kept it local when it comes to tour support, championing the music they really believe in – the past 12 months seeing them take not only JOHN around Europe but Partisan label-mates Fontaines D.C. across America and CROWS throughout the UK (a band whose debut album was released on Joe Talbot’s label Balley Records).
“They’re people who seem to like the music, so to be invited out to do that is great. You get to share these moments with some of your best mates… It’s one of the best things I’ve done in my life, for sure.”
Sure enough, you’ll likely have noticed IDLES here there and everywhere. Whether that be on the telly or via one of their many disciples in the AF Gang sporting their merch. Chances are you’ll have also seen with each new tour announced, the rooms get bigger and bigger.
“It’s fantastic to be able to play to much bigger crowds than we’re used to and just the ability to play every night.” Says John on this. “It’s a fact, you get good with practice. Like with anything, if you’re playing basketball – you play it every day, you’ll get better at basketball. I feel like that really helped, because we finished off the recording of the second album after we came back, so we had this real kind of energy and I guess just a real tightness to our approach that came from that.”
He acknowledges that when he and Johnny travel, they’re used to much more modest production set-ups – making touring with your mates much more manageable from a logistics and planning stance (“The boring practicalities. There’s a lot of emails in punk rock…”)
“It’s amazing to be able to wake up in a new country and have the time to explore a little bit.” Continues John. “All that stuff helps with folding back into the songwriting. Seeing new places brings up new ideas and to visit eleven countries – some of which we’d been to before, some of which we hadn’t – is the best thing. Again, it makes us really happy that we started this thing and it wanders into new territories. It’s eternally surprising, you don’t necessarily expect that when you start out in a little box room…”
From the box room that birthed their initial ventures (debut single ‘Johnny’s Got A Sleeve‘ and a three-track self-titled EP, featuring Simon Pegg favourite ‘Big Game Tactics’) and through various singles and EP’s that led to their debut album (2017’s ‘God Speed In The National Limit’), October sees JOHN release their highly anticipated second album ‘Out Here On The Fringes’ (via Pets Care Records).
Recorded with Wayne Adams at Bear Bites Horse Studio in East London, their decision to go with him came down to – there’s that word again – logistics. Very much the go-to guy for bands on the noisier end of the spectrum, working with Adams was a no brainer for the pair.
“We did the first record with him and he just understood this capture of the live sound of JOHN, I guess. So why try and fix something that isn’t broken?” Says John. “But I definitely think it’s a progression.”
That progression involves expansion, with the new record featuring additional instrumentation from a number of guests, including Chloe Herington of Knifeworld on sax (‘Future Thinker’) and artist Rosanna Dean providing violin on the rapid-fire ‘Dog Walker’. On top of that, the record was pieced together through a number of separate sessions over time, split between different periods in the year (before and after tour).
“It was nice to push the production a little bit further.” Says John. “…That was quite a nice process, ‘cus it enables you to think about what else you think fits in, both conceptually or lyrically, or different types of songs. Not that an album needs a slow one or a fast one – it’s not rock by numbers – but it enables you just to have a bit of breathing space in-between to work out how to create a whole album sonically. I think an album should always be a period of time and it should record certain experiences. It feels similar to the first one in the fact that it really encapsulates a couple of years for us. That’s what I try and do when we’re writing.”
“You just know when you’ve got a good group of songs.” He adds, noting that he and Johnny rarely put too much thought into the writing, rather it comes to them once they get into the room together. Teasing that the extra bits of instrumentation and a few surprises here and there should be enough to keep the listener on their toes and add variation to the record as a narrative piece, he’s quick to add that they’ve not gone full-on second album syndrome.
“I’m not saying that we’re gonna write prog concept albums, but I think there’s a few things that we wanted to put in there that give a spirit of perhaps the places or the moments that have happened within the writing period. Hopefully people get that from it. We’re both really proud of it.”
Seeing JOHN in a live capacity, you’ll notice on stage a light box helpfully highlighting the name of the band. In the past they’ve sent out CD’s in pharmacy bags (with extra goodies inside) and leading up to the release of the new album has seen the promotion of exclusive bookmarks for lucky punters to get their hands on. Both John and Johnny work day-to-day in creative disciplines and as such, the visual side of the band is as equally important as the noisy side you need your lugholes for.
“It’s a massive tool.” Says John, who produced both the title and artwork, pointing out in the same breath that a lot of bands overlook this aspect – treating it as a necessity rather than something to enhance the album experience.
“Obviously the music has to be good, but it’s a support where you can use images, text or lyrics to really help direct how you want this thing to be received.”
“It’s super important in my eyes.” He continues. “I always listen to bands and like bands who really put the thought into it, because you can really inhabit or try and decipher these reference points that are put into the songs with the help of these visual aids. It’s super fun, it makes it super interesting for a listener, because you can pick up on things that are hidden in lyrics or maybe associate with the visual side, whether that be T-shirts or bookmarks.”
That’s right – bookmarks. Something most people haven’t thought about since childhood (I personally use gig flyer’s in my books, thank you very much.) Its choice was as deliberate as it was unique.
“We discussed doing an anachronistic object that you might usually find in a provincial museum souvenir shop. It made sense to do that because of the album’s content.” He says. “You can match up form and content I guess and create something that’s more interesting than just a CD case… It’s a well beaten track this idea of releasing something on a different form, but I think when you do it because of some kind of relevance, it still works.”
With ‘Out Here On The Fringes’ less than a fortnight away, extra bits and bobs are being added to their forthcoming ten date UK tour, including an in-store at London’s Rough Trade East and a specially curated interview with DJ Chris Hawkins ahead of their show in Manchester. The actual live dates themselves have being selling out left right and centre too, the momentum they’ve built up over the last year and beyond catapulting them into what will soon be busy venues.
“What can I say? It’s just great that this thing that started five or six years ago has snowballed into something that kind of takes you to interesting places, takes you to meet interesting, like minded people. You could be in the middle of a tiny town in the south of Belgium and have people turning up to come and see these thoughts that popped into your head… It’s an amazing feeling and it’s great when people enjoy it as much as we love making it.”
For JOHN, Newton tells me the more time they can spend touring, playing to new and old and getting their material heard in as many different pockets around the world, the better. Because what’s the alternative?
“Those are the plans. Is there anything else?” He says with a laugh. “I probably need to get a proper job at some point…”
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